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[only when] it's used to indicate the Python programming language doesn't allow free use for any other purpose, making derivatives etc. It's rather something like fair use, which also says when and how file can be used. Some of listed below logos are on the other hand clear CVs/un-free derivatives. Moreover Python trademark policy specifies how and when logo can be used, which makes it simililar in this to i.e. Wikimedia logo and certainly doesn't allow derivatives or any alterations. Masur (talk) 05:30, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Delete, Masur wrote everything, I agree with him. Karol007 10:50, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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Comment the restrictions by the PSF trademark policy are equal for all logos of companies: you are not allowed to do what you like with them due to other rights except the copyright: {{Trademarked}}. I would say it is {{PD-ineligible}} but I do not know the US copyright perfectly - consequently I would not upload it to Commons. However, in Germany the logo would be ineligible to copyright. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 12:11, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Is it really a copyright restriction? Sounds like a trademark restriction, meaning this should be kept with the {{Trademark}} template if this is of trademark nature. Esby (talk) 12:37, 23 September 2010 (UTC) Edit: I mailed the fsf about the issue. Esby (talk) 12:46, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
Keep. As Saibo and Esby said above, those are trademark restrictions (which is why they're listed at http://www.python.org/psf/trademarks/). The Python logo is distributed with the Python source package, and is thus covered by the GPL-compatible Python Software Foundation License. –Tryphon☂ 12:49, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment Python logo is as "unfree" and not "GPL" as Wikimedia logos aren't CC. How Python logo can be free, when there are stated restriction of how it has to look, how one is allowed to re-make it? Moreover, Firefox is GPL (or how is it called for Mozilla) but its logo is clearly excluded from this license, and the same is for Python. And last, but not least, many of logos listed above are simple copytright violations anyway - because authors falsely imputed copyrights to themselves. Masur (talk) 13:10, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
- Where does it say that the logo is excluded from the software license? The only specific thing I see about the logo is again about trademarks: This License Agreement does not grant permission to use BeOpen trademarks or trade names in a trademark sense to endorse or promote products or services of Licensee, or any third party. The Python license page indicates that most Python releases are GPL-compatible, which means every file in the package must be GPL-compatible. –Tryphon☂ 14:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
- Comment regarding copyright: I have sent them an email asking for permission - probably the easiest way since I do not know if these snakes are ineligible. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 12:51, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
- I just downloaded the source package: it includes a nice svg logo: Python-3.1.2/PC/icons/Python-3.1.2/PC/icons/baselogo.svg. The python (GPL compat.) license in file LICENSE is about "this software ("Python") in source or binary form and its associated documentation". --Saibo (Δ) 13:13, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
- Keep I !vote here specifically in my capacity as Chair of the Python Software Foundation Trademarks Committee, not only as a long-time Wikipedia contributor. The Python logo is indeed available under the GPL-compatible (but actually more permissive) Python Software License. Purely nominative uses of the logo are automatically permitted without any extra permission of the Trademarks Committee (nor generally of the PSF), and this use of the unaltered logo at WikiMedia Commons is such a nominative use. Moreover, WikiMedia is a non-commercial organization so no concern about commercial use is raised. Obviously, some unrelated 3rd party might not be permitted to download the logo image here, and create an unauthorized derived version, but that concern is identical as if they obtained the original at python.org. The PSF has no concern about mirroring the logo here, and as a user/editor, I specifically advocate its continued inclusion. Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters (talk) 20:09, 23 September 2010 (UTC) (David Mertz)
- Keep Thank you very much for your comment! So, if the logo is available under GPL we can tag the files with {{GPL}} and {{Trademarked}} and everything is fine. By the way: If the file really is available under GPL it can also be used commercially as long as this specific form of commercial use is not prohibited by the trademark rights. Cheers --Saibo (Δ) 20:52, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
- Keep After Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters explanation. I also agree with Saibo, just add {{GPL}} and {{Trademarked}} and everything is fine. Béria Lima msg 20:58, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
- Keep per Lulu; if verification is necessary of his capacity to declare this confirmation of licensing, them I'm sure he can email OTRS. Otherwise, this can be closed. fetchcomms☛ 01:05, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
